[wingide-users] wingide-users Digest, Vol 113, Issue 14
chris at chriscurvey.com
Fri Sep 27 13:10:36 MDT 2013
So they should put you down for two copies, then?
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Christopher Fry <cfry1 at mit.edu> wrote:
> This I the first time I've looked at a list of new features for Wing 5.
> It does not include what I consider to be the most important deficiencies
> of Wing4.
> First, programmers spend most of their time fixing bugs.
> I see NOTHING that directly affects debugging, and the stuf that's there
> to be to be barely helpful at all.
> In Eclipse, a lot of the "debugging" you have to do is debugging eclipse
> ie whoops I accidentally dragged this pane over there and now I can't find
> the stepper controls and have no way to figure out how to get them back.
> So on the face of it, letting a user drag panes around is a bad idea.
> If a feature is in Eclipse, consider it a red flag as something NOT to
> So what DO we need for debugging?
> -a better inspector: its very hard to see the details of certain objects,
> esp App Engine model classes
> - A way to invoke the inspector on results you get from entering in an
> in the Python Shell/
> - way to step though some code that I've started by typing in a call to
> the Python shell.
> - A way to have a running app in the editor and be able to type in an
> into some python listener and see its results WITHOUT having to set a
> I don't want to set a break point, I want to define a bunch of classes,
> then call them. Don't make me artificially have to set a breakpoint
> then call some method I don't care about form my UI button click or
> then get into debug probe and NOW I can type in my expression.
> - AND let me INSPECT the result of that expression.
> I consider the above more important than anything I see in your list of
> I told you all this a year ago and you said wait for version 5.
> Nothing in your list compels me to try version 5.
> I'm sure there's good stuff in there. You are smart people who do good
> But do you actually use Wingware to debug? If so, why haven't you
> observed the problems that I've articulated above?
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> 1. Wing IDE 5.0 beta8 released (Wingware)
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> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:14:17 -0400
> From: Wingware <info at wingware.com>
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> Subject: [wingide-users] Wing IDE 5.0 beta8 released
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> We've just released Wing IDE 5.0 beta8.
> Changes made since beta7 include:
> * Support for Python 3.4 alpha2
> * Windows installers are now signed
> * Many keyboard navigability improvements
> * Use correct file and directory dialogs
> * Fix checkboxes in lists in preferences
> * Fix memory leak that could lead to slow typing response
> * Show string truncation indicator and correctly display huge values in
> Watch tool
> * Avoid crash after editing values in Stack Data
> * Several auto-completion and auto-editing improvements
> * Fix default buttons and tab order in dialogs
> * Fix popup windows when more than one monitor is in use
> * Fix failure to handle non-ascii characters in the GUI
> * Many other bug fixes
> For details see
> A summary of new features in Wing 5:
> * Redesigned GUI based on Qt and PySide
> * Native GUI on OS X (and better overall OS-native look and feel)
> * Tools and editors can be dragged around
> * Toolbar and editor and Project context menus are configurable
> * Optional mode that opens different sets of files in each editor split
> * Sharable color palettes and syntax highlighting configurations
> * Auto-editing is on by default (except some operations that have a
> learning curve)
> * Named file sets
> * Sharable launch configurations
> * Named entry points
> * More control over unit testing environment
> * Lockable editor splits
> * Initial preferences dialog for new users
> * Support for Python 3.4
> There are details at http://wingware.com/wingide/5.0beta8
> The above also includes a list of the known bugs, information on
> reporting bugs,
> compatibility notes, and links for downloading and installing.
> This release is quite usable, but please keep in mind that you probably
> run into some problems.
> Stephan Deibel
> Wingware | Python IDE
> Advancing Software Development
> Wing IDE users list
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