If I want a clean start in Wing I select close all, and the 'help' pane remains, I have to manually close it. Michael -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ http://www.trypython.org/ http://www.ironpython.info/ http://www.resolverhacks.net/ http://www.theotherdelia.co.uk/