[wingide-users] Resons not to use Wing

Max Slimmer max at theslimmers.net
Fri Mar 23 09:59:49 MDT 2007

Not sure you have experienced the same problem I have, but there have been
times when I can step into a module but can't set break points.  I think the
problem is that the module in question while in my path is not in the
current directory, doing a chdir seems to remedy this one.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wingide-users-bounces at wingware.com 
> [mailto:wingide-users-bounces at wingware.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Cline
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:40 PM
> To: Stephan Deibel
> Cc: wingide-users at wingware.com
> Subject: Re: [wingide-users] Resons not to use Wing
> Stephan,
> My point wasn't specifically about Twisted or any 
> multi-threaded app., just that when programs do unexpected 
> things in Python it can be hard to tell where the debugger 
> got lost.  Twisted does startup another process, depending on 
> how it is configured I imagine, and I don't really expect 
> Wing to be able to handle that, that was more of an annoyance 
> on my end because I prefer to use the debugger when it is 
> convient, and I spent a year programming stuff for a Twisted 
> server and had to go without it.  
> (Note: Twisted can/does make use of threaded code sometimes, 
> just the main Reactor/Loop is not inherently multi-threaded)
> Are you saying that Wing can easily debug a multi-threaded 
> Python application though? 
> I haven't had much luck at it, but it may have been a 
> separate issue like trying to debug into a C module or 
> something.  I just know that for some Python stuff the 
> debugger gets lost and can't really trace through certain 
> pieces of code correctly.  It is still the best python 
> debugger in an IDE that I know of, I just hate to have to 
> resort to using
> pdb.set_trace() calls sometimes.
> Thanks,
> Brandon
> Stephan Deibel wrote:
> > Brandon Cline wrote:
> >> A great improvement in this area would be better handling of 
> >> breakpoints in relation to multi-threaded beasts and such.
> >> Unfortunately my last job was using twisted heavily and I 
> could never 
> >> get a reliable way to debug through the whole defered/tac file 
> >> startup (there may be a way it's just not obvious).
> >
> > Twisted isn't multithreaded -- what you ran into is 
> probably that it 
> > starts another process at startup and that breaks the 
> debugger since 
> > the second process is run without debug.  I'm just guessing tho 
> > without knowing much about Twisted.
> >
> > The only real solution for this is either to use wingdbstub 
> to debug 
> > the second process or to set things up so that no 
> subprocess is started.
> >
> > - Stephan
> >
> >
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