Why do Subversion Thrigh Wing? RE: [wingide-users] Subversionagain

[Walker Hale]

I hadn't thought about checkout/checkin. In most cases, I would avoid
version control systems that require checkout before editing a file, but if
I were using one then limited integration with the IDE would be valuable to
me. All I would really want is for the editor to offer to checkout any file
that I tried to edit but was not already checked out. I might also want the
project view to graphically distinguish the various states of files, but
this would not be nearly as important.

-Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: wingide-users-bounces at wingware.com
[mailto:wingide-users-bounces at wingware.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Wheeler
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:27 PM
To: Wingide-Users
Subject: RE: Why do Subversion Thrigh Wing? RE: [wingide-users]
Subversionagain

I believe that SVN's edit...commit model negates some of the main advantages
of integrated version control.  Integration is much more important with the
more usual checkout...checkin model, ala VSS, Clearcase, and Perforce (to a
degree).  It's a serious developer boon that SVN doesn't lock files.

btw, I have a django/feedjack site (feed aggregator) on version control:
http://planetscm.org/


-andrew 

-----Original Message-----
From: wingide-users-bounces at wingware.com
[mailto:wingide-users-bounces at wingware.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kinder
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:04 PM
To: Walker Hale
Cc: Wingide-Users
Subject: Re: Why do Subversion Thrigh Wing? RE: [wingide-users]
Subversionagain

I find that I seldom commit files directly from WingIDE, but I use the diff
alot. For that matter, I seldom run my projects directly from WingIDE --
except for debugging.

It's mostly whether the SVN task directly relates to editing. If I need to
do some merging, it's handy to have the diff right there in Wing.

What would make Wing's SVN integration more useful would be icons in the
project manager showing the state of each file/directory.

On 7/31/06, Walker Hale <walkerh at picoscript.com> wrote:
> Vania,
>
> I am copying these comments to windide-users, since others will have
equally
> strong opinions.
>
> I use Subversion, but I don't use Wing's integration! I haven't even
tried
> Wing's integration, so I can't answer questions about it.
>
> I have two reasons for this:
>
> (1) No IDE can do everything. Sooner or later, there is some kind of
file
> that you will want to work on outside of your IDE. Managing that
file's
> version history through the IDE is just extra work.
>
> Whether it is HTML, SQL, XML, JavaScript, graphics, or proprietary
data in a
> custom tool, sooner or later I find that I must work outside my IDE.
Some
> IDEs like Eclipse try to answer this objection by trying to do
absolutely
> everything. I believe that this is counterproductive. For example,
Eclipse
> will never catch up with Microsoft's tools for developing on SQL
Server.
>
> (2) Sometimes, I may work with more than one IDE. (In my  previous
job, we
> used Eclipse for Java development and MS Visual Studio for C++
development
> -- while working on the SAME GAME.) It makes no sense to master the
version
> control integration capabilities of any particular IDE, since IDE's
change
> with the language I am working in.
>
> So instead of bothering with the version control integration of IDEs,
I
> master one good version control client for each computer platform I
work
> with.
>
> For Windows, I use TortoiseSVN. For Mac OS, there is something
similar. For
> certain administrative tasks, I go to the command line. I even have a
python
> script that incrementally dumps my repository to a ZIP file. In this
way, if
> I have to move away from Wing for some project, there will be
absolutely no
> impact on version control.
>
> In my opinion, version control is orthogonal to what I consider the
core
> tasks of an IDE: editing, debugging, and browsing. Any attempt by IDE 
> developers to reinvent yet another perfect version control client is
mostly
> wasted effort. Unfortunately, it is something that IDE developers
simply
> must do so that version control integration can appear on competitive 
> feature lists.
>
> -Walker
>
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